Comments on: Econ-Atrocity: Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One http://www.fguide.org/?p=53 News, outrage, euphoria, etc from the Center for Popular Economics Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:08:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: William http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10684 William Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:08:20 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10684 I believe diamonds should be illegal. I believe diamonds should be illegal.

]]> By: atheislibertariancriminalasshole http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10683 atheislibertariancriminalasshole Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:02:53 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10683 o.k canada has begun micro-etching their diamonds to identify their origin and distinguish them fr. blood diamonds and they probably do have the more eco- & socio- responsible mining industry. that being said diamonds are only as valuable as debeers wants them to be. if you're are a woman and you know this and you still think that your beau should buy you a stone worth three months of his salary which is inherently worthless then you are a manipulative insecure b***h and should seek counseling. if, on the other hand, you only want him to buy you something expensive [but not inherently worthless] to seal the deal then you are just being business-minded [about your prospective life-long love affair] and are an exemplar of the american way. in this case may i recommend you suggest to him either a sapphire or a ruby, whichever your taste leans toward, as these gems both are actually rare and their respective resale values are not being manipulated by the world-spanning tentacles of a cartel like debeers. o.k canada has begun micro-etching their diamonds to identify their origin and distinguish them fr. blood diamonds and they probably do have the more eco- & socio- responsible mining industry. that being said diamonds are only as valuable as debeers wants them to be. if you’re are a woman and you know this and you still think that your beau should buy you a stone worth three months of his salary which is inherently worthless then you are a manipulative insecure b***h and should seek counseling. if, on the other hand, you only want him to buy you something expensive [but not inherently worthless] to seal the deal then you are just being business-minded [about your prospective life-long love affair] and are an exemplar of the american way. in this case may i recommend you suggest to him either a sapphire or a ruby, whichever your taste leans toward, as these gems both are actually rare and their respective resale values are not being manipulated by the world-spanning tentacles of a cartel like debeers.

]]> By: Anna http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10651 Anna Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:03:27 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10651 This article really opened my eyes. To be honest, I do not have the time to track down cites and debate the finer points of this article, as others have. I can only say that if the mining of diamonds hurts the innocent and fuels war in any proven way, I cannot possibly fuel the industry with my money. I'm only 17, but when I find the right guy, I'll let him know that I'll accept a symbol of our love, but diamonds just aren't this girl's best friend ;) Also: dan-z: You don't have to bring politics into everything. Sources aren't "liberal" or "conservative". And vying for change is okay, especially if you're trying to make the world a better place. Open your mind a bit and try for some empathy. This article really opened my eyes. To be honest, I do not have the time to track down cites and debate the finer points of this article, as others have. I can only say that if the mining of diamonds hurts the innocent and fuels war in any proven way, I cannot possibly fuel the industry with my money. I’m only 17, but when I find the right guy, I’ll let him know that I’ll accept a symbol of our love, but diamonds just aren’t this girl’s best friend ;)

Also: dan-z: You don’t have to bring politics into everything. Sources aren’t “liberal” or “conservative”. And vying for change is okay, especially if you’re trying to make the world a better place. Open your mind a bit and try for some empathy.

]]> By: DK http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10619 DK Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:18:20 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10619 On the topic of an alternative to a diamond...you could purchase another gemstone but don't forget that it was still mined somewhere and it is probably not conflict free. See this article on a sapphire mine in Madagascar: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7098213.stm In place of a diamond or gemstone engagement ring I got a lab crated sapphire, which has the exact same composition and properties (hardness, etc.) of a natural sapphire, but it has no flaws, costs about 1/10th of the price of a natural sapphire, and looks just as beautiful. I don't understand the idea of paying 2-3 months salary...wouldn't it be better to save that money for your future together? Isn't it hard enough of save up to pay for the wedding without going into debt? After all, financial issues are the number one reason for divorce. On the topic of an alternative to a diamond…you could purchase another gemstone but don’t forget that it was still mined somewhere and it is probably not conflict free. See this article on a sapphire mine in Madagascar:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7098213.stm

In place of a diamond or gemstone engagement ring I got a lab crated sapphire, which has the exact same composition and properties (hardness, etc.) of a natural sapphire, but it has no flaws, costs about 1/10th of the price of a natural sapphire, and looks just as beautiful. I don’t understand the idea of paying 2-3 months salary…wouldn’t it be better to save that money for your future together? Isn’t it hard enough of save up to pay for the wedding without going into debt? After all, financial issues are the number one reason for divorce.

]]> By: Billigflug http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10529 Billigflug Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:52:29 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10529 Hey Liz, I want to state briefly on your article. When I read "Diamond Ring" I automatically had all the assiciations with young women, engagement ring, symbol of marriage etc in my mind. It never came up to me, that there is more about a simple ring, like the miners and their bad living conditions. In some way I have to admit that I am totally coined by the marketing campaign. My feelings about Diamonds are completely positive. In my eyes your article is kind of radical and one-sided. Of course nearly everything has a good side and a bad side. If you see nice sneakers in a store, do you really think about its production? About young children working on that sneaker suffering very bad working conditions? If you think of Christmas, could you explain your children, that they will get no presents at all, because the hype of Christmas and all the stuff with the presents is just based on commercialization? That Santa Claus is a marketing campaign? I don't want to say: Hey, let's ignore the bad conditions of that miners (btw: you are not serious about the fact 4, are you??), but maybe it is important to find a middle course, kind of a compromise?! If you know that sneakers are produced by little childs, don't buy them! If you don't want to support commercialization, explain your children, why self-made cookies are more valuable than any doll of his favorite action hero. If you don't want to be involved in animals kept in mass stocks, than buy your meat from the farmer next to you... Maybe there is a way to find out, where your Daimond Ring comes from? If you can afford a Diamon Ring, you also could afford a donation for a diamond mine and the workers there?! Sometimes it is not always easy to do the right and deny the wrong. You can not change the whole world. Just start with your nearest environment, that will be maximize happiness and you will have got your hands full. I am referring to the Utilitarianism, which says, that you should not overburden yourself. Although I am always trying to do the ethical right action, I probably would never spend a thought to those poor workers, honestly,... when my dearest boyfriend stands in front of me, asking me with his twinkling eyes if I want to marry him... ...holding a sparkling diamond ring in his hands. Hey Liz,
I want to state briefly on your article.
When I read “Diamond Ring” I automatically had all the assiciations with young women, engagement ring, symbol of marriage etc in my mind. It never came up to me, that there is more about a simple ring, like the miners and their bad living conditions. In some way I have to admit that I am totally coined by the marketing campaign. My feelings about Diamonds are completely positive.

In my eyes your article is kind of radical and one-sided. Of course nearly everything has a good side and a bad side. If you see nice sneakers in a store, do you really think about its production? About young children working on that sneaker suffering very bad working conditions?
If you think of Christmas, could you explain your children, that they will get no presents at all, because the hype of Christmas and all the stuff with the presents is just based on commercialization? That Santa Claus is a marketing campaign?

I don’t want to say: Hey, let’s ignore the bad conditions of that miners (btw: you are not serious about the fact 4, are you??), but maybe it is important to find a middle course, kind of a compromise?!

If you know that sneakers are produced by little childs, don’t buy them!
If you don’t want to support commercialization, explain your children, why self-made cookies are more valuable than any doll of his favorite action hero.
If you don’t want to be involved in animals kept in mass stocks, than buy your meat from the farmer next to you…

Maybe there is a way to find out, where your Daimond Ring comes from? If you can afford a Diamon Ring, you also could afford a donation for a diamond mine and the workers there?!

Sometimes it is not always easy to do the right and deny the wrong. You can not change the whole world. Just start with your nearest environment, that will be maximize happiness and you will have got your hands full. I am referring to the Utilitarianism, which says, that you should not overburden yourself.

Although I am always trying to do the ethical right action, I probably would never spend a thought to those poor workers,
honestly,…
when my dearest boyfriend stands in front of me,
asking me with his twinkling eyes if I want to marry him…

…holding a sparkling diamond ring in his hands.

]]> By: -dan z- http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10508 -dan z- Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:14:27 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10508 Apparently the "Center for Popular Economics" is actually the center for liberal economics. Don't buy diamonds, folks -- they cause brain damage, poor health care, and global warming.... 1) True for all gemstones and jewelry, not just diamonds. 2) Somewhat true, but also somewhat true for most gemstones, such as tanzanite. 3) False. All gemstones sold at retail are sold at a markup averaging five times cost, sometimes more. So trying to resell it immediately of course will yield much less than you paid. However, after a few years, most quality gemstones will have increased in value enough to yield a profit. In addition, many resellers offer a guarantee to buy the stone back at the same price paid after a specific number of years. They know the value is going to increase. 4) Where is the cite for this factoid? Disproportionate to what? 5) The same thing liberals say about any type of mining. Apparently we should only use trees for all our industrial needs. Oh wait... we can't use those either. 6) Bringing prosperity to the tribes. This author apparently has no complaint about casinos on tribal land, though. 7) Actually, only the junk stones are polished in India, where gemstone polishing is a major industry supporting thousands and thousands of families. Quality diamonds are cut only in Israel, Germany and rarely in the U.S. 8) Oh come on! What commodity is NOT used to fund war? 9) Now there is some logic: some of the same countries that have diamond mines also are involved with wars, so obviously one causes the other. Yeah, right. 10) Let's not forget to link everything to firearms. Firearms also cause brain damage, poor health care, global warming .... Largest diamond-producing countries: Botswana, Russia, Canada. ( statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-621-m/11-621-m2004008-eng.htm [gc.ca] ) As of 2003, Canada already produced 15% of the world's supply of diamonds. Must be all that child slave labor and gun financing.... Note that most of the "sources" given are actually from liberal-oriented publications. Now they will be referencing THIS article in future publications to "prove" what THEY say.... Apparently the “Center for Popular Economics” is actually the center for liberal economics. Don’t buy diamonds, folks — they cause brain damage, poor health care, and global warming….

1) True for all gemstones and jewelry, not just diamonds.
2) Somewhat true, but also somewhat true for most gemstones, such as tanzanite.
3) False. All gemstones sold at retail are sold at a markup averaging five times cost, sometimes more. So trying to resell it immediately of course will yield much less than you paid. However, after a few years, most quality gemstones will have increased in value enough to yield a profit. In addition, many resellers offer a guarantee to buy the stone back at the same price paid after a specific number of years. They know the value is going to increase.
4) Where is the cite for this factoid? Disproportionate to what?
5) The same thing liberals say about any type of mining. Apparently we should only use trees for all our industrial needs. Oh wait… we can’t use those either.
6) Bringing prosperity to the tribes. This author apparently has no complaint about casinos on tribal land, though.
7) Actually, only the junk stones are polished in India, where gemstone polishing is a major industry supporting thousands and thousands of families. Quality diamonds are cut only in Israel, Germany and rarely in the U.S.
8) Oh come on! What commodity is NOT used to fund war?
9) Now there is some logic: some of the same countries that have diamond mines also are involved with wars, so obviously one causes the other. Yeah, right.
10) Let’s not forget to link everything to firearms. Firearms also cause brain damage, poor health care, global warming ….

Largest diamond-producing countries: Botswana, Russia, Canada. ( statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-621-m/11-621-m2004008-eng.htm [gc.ca] ) As of 2003, Canada already produced 15% of the world’s supply of diamonds. Must be all that child slave labor and gun financing….

Note that most of the “sources” given are actually from liberal-oriented publications. Now they will be referencing THIS article in future publications to “prove” what THEY say….

]]> By: James http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10428 James Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:14:06 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10428 I'll keep this post brief. As somebody who has lived and worked in the diamond zones of southern Africa and west Africa, the concept of a "conflict free" or "certified conflict free" or "kimberley certified" diamond is a joke. Other than gems from a very very small handfull of Canadian and South African mines, the vast majority of diamonds are produced under horrific conditions and continue to fund war and crime, yes, even your precious "conflict free" stones. I have seen many opperations: there is no oversight in the kimberley process, no funding for inspectors, no personel to verify mine origin. It's a well intentioned joke of a process. And, to the poster above, industrial applications of diamonds relies not on mined stones, but rather on lab produced material. I’ll keep this post brief. As somebody who has lived and worked in the diamond zones of southern Africa and west Africa, the concept of a “conflict free” or “certified conflict free” or “kimberley certified” diamond is a joke. Other than gems from a very very small handfull of Canadian and South African mines, the vast majority of diamonds are produced under horrific conditions and continue to fund war and crime, yes, even your precious “conflict free” stones. I have seen many opperations: there is no oversight in the kimberley process, no funding for inspectors, no personel to verify mine origin. It’s a well intentioned joke of a process. And, to the poster above, industrial applications of diamonds relies not on mined stones, but rather on lab produced material.

]]> By: The Political Stray http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10422 The Political Stray Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:09:16 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10422 Human's have been adorning themselves since the beginning, that's unlikely to change. Perhaps changing the vision of what is high in value romantically speaking IS the answer. Does a man respect the woman that will follow him anywhere if he tempts her with a bag of peanuts? Not likely. Even assuming, of course, that willingness doesn't mean the woman will leave a man for another that has bigger peanuts. Would you want your sister to be known as a "peanut whor*"? Connecting the material with the romantic may just be a neccessity to soothe the insecure human heart. Finally, I must challenge the idea that diamonds have no value. Don't they serve industry fairly well? Drill bits and the like? Human’s have been adorning themselves since the beginning, that’s unlikely to change. Perhaps changing the vision of what is high in value romantically speaking IS the answer.

Does a man respect the woman that will follow him anywhere if he tempts her with a bag of peanuts? Not likely. Even assuming, of course, that willingness doesn’t mean the woman will leave a man for another that has bigger peanuts. Would you want your sister to be known as a “peanut whor*”? Connecting the material with the romantic may just be a neccessity to soothe the insecure human heart.

Finally, I must challenge the idea that diamonds have no value. Don’t they serve industry fairly well? Drill bits and the like?

]]> By: Alex http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10366 Alex Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:04:58 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10366 The movie blood diamond really opened up my eyes, its crazy to think about that kind of stuff, and even tho it was a movie, it was still quite nuts. nice post, i love the blog. The movie blood diamond really opened up my eyes, its crazy to think about that kind of stuff, and even tho it was a movie, it was still quite nuts.

nice post, i love the blog.

]]> By: jennica http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10356 jennica Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:39:51 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10356 Diamond sales are a horrible institution. Good article Liz Diamond sales are a horrible institution. Good article Liz

]]> By: Sarah http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10293 Sarah Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:06:20 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10293 I'd like to respond to the issue of what to do in place of a diamond engagement ring. It's true that many women are brought up to expect some sort of symbol, and I don't think that idea is completely wrong. If materialism gets out of hand it can be dangerous, but asking every woman in the world to give up any dream of a symbol of their future loved one's love is a large step. I include myself in the crowd of women that are concerned about those affected by diamond mining and selling, but I still have a love for jewelry and for the symbol of an engagement. I think there's no problem with substituting a diamond with an alternative. Moissanite is a great choice - it's so close to a diamond that jewelers had to create a new diamond testing machine in order to identify it. It shares almost every quality a diamond has (hardness, brilliance, durability, etc) but costs MUCH less and doesn't harm anyone. While this may not solve the problem that many of you have with our NEED for something shiny in order to get married or feel worth something, it is certainly a step. Of course many other stones could be used in place of a diamond - moissanite is just a personal favorite. It's becoming VERY popular and I hope it helps with this diamond crisis that we're facing. I want to go ahead and say that I'm aware that most moissanites are made by one company (Charles and Colvard) and aren't cheap. However, I'm all about coming up with small steps that the average person can take in order to help the world. Slowly steering the public away from something as harmful as diamonds can be much easier than asking for an abrubt change. Many are taking this approach (think about PETA asking meat eaters to just try to eat less meat or find it from distributers that are less likely to abuse animals rather than asking everyone to go vegan). These are just my thoughts...you can't change everything horrible we do to this world and the people in it, but the easier you make it for others to make the change, the more likely they are to do it. I’d like to respond to the issue of what to do in place of a diamond engagement ring. It’s true that many women are brought up to expect some sort of symbol, and I don’t think that idea is completely wrong. If materialism gets out of hand it can be dangerous, but asking every woman in the world to give up any dream of a symbol of their future loved one’s love is a large step. I include myself in the crowd of women that are concerned about those affected by diamond mining and selling, but I still have a love for jewelry and for the symbol of an engagement. I think there’s no problem with substituting a diamond with an alternative. Moissanite is a great choice - it’s so close to a diamond that jewelers had to create a new diamond testing machine in order to identify it. It shares almost every quality a diamond has (hardness, brilliance, durability, etc) but costs MUCH less and doesn’t harm anyone. While this may not solve the problem that many of you have with our NEED for something shiny in order to get married or feel worth something, it is certainly a step. Of course many other stones could be used in place of a diamond - moissanite is just a personal favorite. It’s becoming VERY popular and I hope it helps with this diamond crisis that we’re facing.

I want to go ahead and say that I’m aware that most moissanites are made by one company (Charles and Colvard) and aren’t cheap. However, I’m all about coming up with small steps that the average person can take in order to help the world. Slowly steering the public away from something as harmful as diamonds can be much easier than asking for an abrubt change. Many are taking this approach (think about PETA asking meat eaters to just try to eat less meat or find it from distributers that are less likely to abuse animals rather than asking everyone to go vegan).

These are just my thoughts…you can’t change everything horrible we do to this world and the people in it, but the easier you make it for others to make the change, the more likely they are to do it.

]]> By: lip http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10198 lip Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:58:57 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-10198 Look at what happens with coffee in south america, Tennis shoes in Asia. OIL, every product has a sob story. Take a look at what happens to 3rd world people with the computer & electronics waste industry. Landfills polluting entire watersheds... pick your poison, we are all guilty. Look at what happens with coffee in south america, Tennis shoes in Asia. OIL, every product has a sob story. Take a look at what happens to 3rd world people with the computer & electronics waste industry. Landfills polluting entire watersheds… pick your poison, we are all guilty.

]]> By: The Blog that Noone Reads » Blog Archive » Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-7769 The Blog that Noone Reads » Blog Archive » Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:55:24 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-7769 [...] I honor of my good friend’s recent betrothal, and my co-workers wedding this Saturday, I thought I’d post a link about diamonds. [...] […] I honor of my good friend’s recent betrothal, and my co-workers wedding this Saturday, I thought I’d post a link about diamonds. […]

]]> By: Alle http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-6637 Alle Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:00:13 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-6637 I agree with Harry Jules, by restricting the sale it will become even more profitable, like Oil prices have gone up becouse of "environmentalists" prevent use of additional sources. Those companies mining at unacceptable conditions should be exposed and prosecuted, while you should not buy from sources you cant be sure are safe. I agree with Harry Jules, by restricting the sale it will become even more profitable, like Oil prices have gone up becouse of “environmentalists” prevent use of additional sources.

Those companies mining at unacceptable conditions should be exposed and prosecuted, while you should not buy from sources you cant be sure are safe.

]]> By: Harry Jules http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5719 Harry Jules Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:22:36 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5719 I think it's reasonable to protest the sale of diamonds as a way of improving working conditions and environmental laws. It's not going to make the industry go away if anything it will make diamonds even more expensive and valuable. I think it’s reasonable to protest the sale of diamonds as a way of improving working conditions and environmental laws. It’s not going to make the industry go away if anything it will make diamonds even more expensive and valuable.

]]> By: T http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5577 T Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:29:54 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5577 The article has many points- some very emotional while others are objective. I would like to focus on the objective ones- as an economics major, I hate to help in any way to an artificially controlled demand. Why should we support a company that controls demand by limiting supply?? On a more personal note, I recently got engaged and absolutely refused a "rock" which he could very easily afford. Trust me, there are better ways to spend your money :). As for the "princess" out there that wants hers 2 carat D color VVS1 clarity radiant cuts (I used to sell pricey and large loose diamonds) - chances are in the long run IT WILL NOT WORK OUT!! There is more to it then that. The article has many points- some very emotional while others are objective. I would like to focus on the objective ones- as an economics major, I hate to help in any way to an artificially controlled demand. Why should we support a company that controls demand by limiting supply?? On a more personal note, I recently got engaged and absolutely refused a “rock” which he could very easily afford. Trust me, there are better ways to spend your money :). As for the “princess” out there that wants hers 2 carat D color VVS1 clarity radiant cuts (I used to sell pricey and large loose diamonds) - chances are in the long run IT WILL NOT WORK OUT!! There is more to it then that.

]]> By: David Mackey http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5510 David Mackey Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:00:44 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5510 Have you seen Blood Diamond? I thought its portrayal of the diamond trade and of child soldiers was extremely powerful. Have you seen Blood Diamond? I thought its portrayal of the diamond trade and of child soldiers was extremely powerful.

]]> By: Oblural http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5391 Oblural Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5391 About 10 years ago I took a course in African history. My jaw was on the floor for nearly the entire semester. There is so much going on that I never knew to even look into before that class (which I mention only because I think it is that way for most high school graduates in the United States, unless they've done independent study or lucked out with a particular teacher). One thing that stuck with me through all the years was how artificial the diamond market prices are. There is no reason for it--and it sure isn't going to the mine workers (in Africa--I have no knowledge of Canadian mines). I think this summary of points is great--a wonderful starting point for people to do reasearch on their own. About 10 years ago I took a course in African history. My jaw was on the floor for nearly the entire semester. There is so much going on that I never knew to even look into before that class (which I mention only because I think it is that way for most high school graduates in the United States, unless they’ve done independent study or lucked out with a particular teacher).
One thing that stuck with me through all the years was how artificial the diamond market prices are. There is no reason for it–and it sure isn’t going to the mine workers (in Africa–I have no knowledge of Canadian mines).
I think this summary of points is great–a wonderful starting point for people to do reasearch on their own.

]]> By: Momos http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5209 Momos Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:57:52 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5209 “Your number 4 is absolute bunk. Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex. Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.” Sounds like somebody's a virgin or totally ignorant. You don't know how humans work, do you? “Your number 4 is absolute bunk. Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex. Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.”

Sounds like somebody’s a virgin or totally ignorant. You don’t know how humans work, do you?

]]> By: vindows http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5129 vindows Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:21:15 +0000 http://www.fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5129 In response to: "7.Slave Laborers Cut and Polish Diamonds. More than one-half of the world’s diamonds are processed in India where many of the cutters and polishers are bonded child laborers." This was the story of a few decade ago...(when India was a British colony) now the things have changed. Get the facts right & keep them up-to-date. Surat, A city in India processes ~80% of the diamonds. In response to:
“7.Slave Laborers Cut and Polish Diamonds. More than one-half of the world’s diamonds are processed in India where many of the cutters and polishers are bonded child laborers.”

This was the story of a few decade ago…(when India was a British colony) now the things have changed.

Get the facts right & keep them up-to-date.
Surat, A city in India processes ~80% of the diamonds.

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